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Old 10-04-2024, 12:18 PM
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Some of the shots seem to have used an extreme telephoto lens, like 600mm or more.
You can tell from the background/foreground that the shot is from far away. Either on a cliff top or distant point.
Others seem to have the camera enclosed in something like a beach bag. You see the cover encroach on the fame sometimes.
On that subject, I found this piece a couple of months ago. It is written by one of the guys who used to film footage from the old Coccozella website. Obviously he filmed a while ago so some methods might be a bit outdated, such as the radio cassette player method which, if anything, would arouse suspicion now.

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Ilovethebeach, Rafian, Candid King, Jackass Videos, Sandfly's Videos, Uncle Chester's Videos and all the other hidden cam videos of nudists at the beach were all very real and unstaged. I know this because I am one of them with a series of nude beach videos I sold for years.

Let me expound upon this...

Over the years I produced many high-quality videos (well, high quality for their time) of nudist beaches in California including Blacks, Rincon, San Onofrie, Summerland and More Mesa, the first two being in the San Diego area and the latter three being near Santa Barbara. I also filmed at Pirate's Cove near San Luis Obispo. They were marketed on a site no longer around called Coccozellas, and went as "Brad's California Dreamin'", videos 1 through 9. Each was about 1-hour long.

As mentioned, it is difficult to get good quality video these days. The cameras are intentionally compact and smaller with smaller lens, often shaky, the resolution is poor for distant objects and much cameras use a very small lens thus making objects more than 15 feet away seeming to be much further away than reality.

Several factors made the older video cameras much better.

First, they had larger lens with larger apertures allowing in more image per pixel. They also had *optical* zoom ability, which was similar to how a telescope zooms in, and mine had x40 capability. "Digital zoom" was/is a joke because it basically took whatever the maximum optical image it could get then expanded it digitally, which is the same thing you can do later after filming using a video editor like Adobe Premiere. My ability to zoom in on the subject was only limited by the distortion caused by the heat waves coming off the sand. And if the subject was within 100 feet, I could get a great closeup without the heat waves affecting the video.

Second, once you have identified a subject, the video camera could not be moved. That creates the problem of making sure the subject was in the middle of the frame, and, making it hard to zoom in and out. This is where technology came in. Some of the video cameras were sold to wildlife photographers and included a phone app. The app would communicate with the video camera and would allow one to change settings, turn on/off the recording as well as zoom in and out. As I laid out (nude of course to blend in), I would be laying on my stomach looking down at my iPhone as though I were texting.

The next challenge was concealing the camera. In the Ilovethebeach videos, I'm certain he used a rolled-up towel around the vid cam. The thing to remember is that if your camera lens was zooming, it could be further back from the opening of the rolled up towel making it difficult to see. I'm sure he had similar monitoring tech such that he didn't have to touch the camera. I used a hollowed-out am/fm cassette player about the size of a large lunch box with the end dial actually being a lens filter.

Lastly, the hardest part - and this is where most video photographers are caught - was making sure the camera was properly pointing in the right direction. Inexperienced video photographers are too aggressive with manipulating their cameras and it becomes obvious. In fact, over the years I was caught a number of times, but I had a trick up my sleeve. I had a second am/fm video cassette player that was unaltered. So when someone confronted me (always a guy that appointed himself the beach police to protect the damsels) I'd pull out the real one and say "You mean this?!" and let them look at it. If he apologized, that would be it. I was pretty buff in those days and if he acted like a jerk, I'd stand up and let him know in no uncertain terms I was about to clock him...he'd *always* walk off with his tail between his legs.

It took me years, and I can't say I ever really mastered the skill, although Cocozella was dumb-founded and asked me "How do you do that? It's like you have you video camera on a tripod".

The key is to blend in, not be overly eager and take one's time realizing you'll miss some great shots but be undiscovered. And do what the best hunters do...they don't stalk their prey, they instead wait for when the prey comes close to them as it keeps the subject unaware. Lastly, it's important to think like a magician - keep audience focused upon a distraction (ergo, texting, reading a book, etc.) In fact, there were more than a couple of times I'd engage in conversation with a naked woman as I secretly videotaped her.

Of course, this is very controversial, and some argue that I was invading someone's privacy. But my view (at the time) was that if someone went to an extremely public beach with dozens/hundreds of people and they stripped naked while walking up and down the beach, they were, by most definitions, exhibitionists that eschewed away privacy in exchange for the eroticism of being seen naked by so many...and my mission was to help them in that goal by exposing them to even more than they expected.
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I believe it's more because of a "Zeitgeist" thing, or the trend of the present time.
I remember a low-key campaign during the end of the first decade of the century against going at the beach topless in Italy, with physicians speaking about how harmful can sunbathing the nipples be, or fashion designers going like how better a triangular piece of fabric would look on the chest instead of a plain bare boob.
Nude beach goers wouldn't go about searching nudist videos on the internet, but then again, it WAS the advent of "Web 2.0" so they might as well have stumbled upon these videos by accident on streaming sites while watching some random porn.
I don't know. When your "friend" tells you that there's a video of you naked on the beach doing the rounds, wouldn't you want to see it, and the extent of what's been captured?

Actually I'm not sure I would myself. I mean why would anyone post a video of little ol' ugly me
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Old 10-04-2024, 07:38 PM
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truly interesting interview of Brad...I remember (and possibly have them) the famous videos.

About the technics which it speaks about,

I never used the technic of app on phones but it must be the best indeed. my pb was to install my set up, digital photographic app, hidden on a black shirt often. I don't know how i never has been caught because I was shooting pics and later smaller videos with cliking on the shutter button...damn not really the best.

for the hunters method. My choice was to install my towel near a girl/group/couple I like instead of waiting the chance to be with me to see an interesting subject going near me. It arrives but not so much...

I agree anyway about the way to look not harassing but more friendly and uninterested by what you choosed to film...



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On that subject, I found this piece a couple of months ago. It is written by one of the guys who used to film footage from the old Coccozella website. Obviously he filmed a while ago so some methods might be a bit outdated, such as the radio cassette player method which, if anything, would arouse suspicion now.

___________________________________

Ilovethebeach, Rafian, Candid King, Jackass Videos, Sandfly's Videos, Uncle Chester's Videos and all the other hidden cam videos of nudists at the beach were all very real and unstaged. I know this because I am one of them with a series of nude beach videos I sold for years.

Let me expound upon this...

Over the years I produced many high-quality videos (well, high quality for their time) of nudist beaches in California including Blacks, Rincon, San Onofrie, Summerland and More Mesa, the first two being in the San Diego area and the latter three being near Santa Barbara. I also filmed at Pirate's Cove near San Luis Obispo. They were marketed on a site no longer around called Coccozellas, and went as "Brad's California Dreamin'", videos 1 through 9. Each was about 1-hour long.

As mentioned, it is difficult to get good quality video these days. The cameras are intentionally compact and smaller with smaller lens, often shaky, the resolution is poor for distant objects and much cameras use a very small lens thus making objects more than 15 feet away seeming to be much further away than reality.

Several factors made the older video cameras much better.

First, they had larger lens with larger apertures allowing in more image per pixel. They also had *optical* zoom ability, which was similar to how a telescope zooms in, and mine had x40 capability. "Digital zoom" was/is a joke because it basically took whatever the maximum optical image it could get then expanded it digitally, which is the same thing you can do later after filming using a video editor like Adobe Premiere. My ability to zoom in on the subject was only limited by the distortion caused by the heat waves coming off the sand. And if the subject was within 100 feet, I could get a great closeup without the heat waves affecting the video.

Second, once you have identified a subject, the video camera could not be moved. That creates the problem of making sure the subject was in the middle of the frame, and, making it hard to zoom in and out. This is where technology came in. Some of the video cameras were sold to wildlife photographers and included a phone app. The app would communicate with the video camera and would allow one to change settings, turn on/off the recording as well as zoom in and out. As I laid out (nude of course to blend in), I would be laying on my stomach looking down at my iPhone as though I were texting.

The next challenge was concealing the camera. In the Ilovethebeach videos, I'm certain he used a rolled-up towel around the vid cam. The thing to remember is that if your camera lens was zooming, it could be further back from the opening of the rolled up towel making it difficult to see. I'm sure he had similar monitoring tech such that he didn't have to touch the camera. I used a hollowed-out am/fm cassette player about the size of a large lunch box with the end dial actually being a lens filter.

Lastly, the hardest part - and this is where most video photographers are caught - was making sure the camera was properly pointing in the right direction. Inexperienced video photographers are too aggressive with manipulating their cameras and it becomes obvious. In fact, over the years I was caught a number of times, but I had a trick up my sleeve. I had a second am/fm video cassette player that was unaltered. So when someone confronted me (always a guy that appointed himself the beach police to protect the damsels) I'd pull out the real one and say "You mean this?!" and let them look at it. If he apologized, that would be it. I was pretty buff in those days and if he acted like a jerk, I'd stand up and let him know in no uncertain terms I was about to clock him...he'd *always* walk off with his tail between his legs.

It took me years, and I can't say I ever really mastered the skill, although Cocozella was dumb-founded and asked me "How do you do that? It's like you have you video camera on a tripod".

The key is to blend in, not be overly eager and take one's time realizing you'll miss some great shots but be undiscovered. And do what the best hunters do...they don't stalk their prey, they instead wait for when the prey comes close to them as it keeps the subject unaware. Lastly, it's important to think like a magician - keep audience focused upon a distraction (ergo, texting, reading a book, etc.) In fact, there were more than a couple of times I'd engage in conversation with a naked woman as I secretly videotaped her.

Of course, this is very controversial, and some argue that I was invading someone's privacy. But my view (at the time) was that if someone went to an extremely public beach with dozens/hundreds of people and they stripped naked while walking up and down the beach, they were, by most definitions, exhibitionists that eschewed away privacy in exchange for the eroticism of being seen naked by so many...and my mission was to help them in that goal by exposing them to even more than they expected.
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I still play classic vids like Brads and Uncle Chester. Who are the cameraman for beechsum?
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I still play classic vids like Brads and Uncle Chester. Who are the cameraman for beechsum?
I'd imagine the guys who film the BS videos will stay very quiet while they are still active.
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Old 10-06-2024, 10:44 PM
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This thumbnail shows what I meant about long lenses. The first frame has a lot of vignetting. That's the dark ring round the outside which is typically the inside of a teleconverter to increase the magnification optically.

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On that subject, I found this piece a couple of months ago. It is written by one of the guys who used to film footage from the old Coccozella website. Obviously he filmed a while ago so some methods might be a bit outdated, such as the radio cassette player method which, if anything, would arouse suspicion now.

___________________________________

Ilovethebeach, Rafian, Candid King, Jackass Videos, Sandfly's Videos, Uncle Chester's Videos and all the other hidden cam videos of nudists at the beach were all very real and unstaged. I know this because I am one of them with a series of nude beach videos I sold for years.

Let me expound upon this...

Over the years I produced many high-quality videos (well, high quality for their time) of nudist beaches in California including Blacks, Rincon, San Onofrie, Summerland and More Mesa, the first two being in the San Diego area and the latter three being near Santa Barbara. I also filmed at Pirate's Cove near San Luis Obispo. They were marketed on a site no longer around called Coccozellas, and went as "Brad's California Dreamin'", videos 1 through 9. Each was about 1-hour long.

As mentioned, it is difficult to get good quality video these days. The cameras are intentionally compact and smaller with smaller lens, often shaky, the resolution is poor for distant objects and much cameras use a very small lens thus making objects more than 15 feet away seeming to be much further away than reality.

Several factors made the older video cameras much better.

First, they had larger lens with larger apertures allowing in more image per pixel. They also had *optical* zoom ability, which was similar to how a telescope zooms in, and mine had x40 capability. "Digital zoom" was/is a joke because it basically took whatever the maximum optical image it could get then expanded it digitally, which is the same thing you can do later after filming using a video editor like Adobe Premiere. My ability to zoom in on the subject was only limited by the distortion caused by the heat waves coming off the sand. And if the subject was within 100 feet, I could get a great closeup without the heat waves affecting the video.

Second, once you have identified a subject, the video camera could not be moved. That creates the problem of making sure the subject was in the middle of the frame, and, making it hard to zoom in and out. This is where technology came in. Some of the video cameras were sold to wildlife photographers and included a phone app. The app would communicate with the video camera and would allow one to change settings, turn on/off the recording as well as zoom in and out. As I laid out (nude of course to blend in), I would be laying on my stomach looking down at my iPhone as though I were texting.

The next challenge was concealing the camera. In the Ilovethebeach videos, I'm certain he used a rolled-up towel around the vid cam. The thing to remember is that if your camera lens was zooming, it could be further back from the opening of the rolled up towel making it difficult to see. I'm sure he had similar monitoring tech such that he didn't have to touch the camera. I used a hollowed-out am/fm cassette player about the size of a large lunch box with the end dial actually being a lens filter.

Lastly, the hardest part - and this is where most video photographers are caught - was making sure the camera was properly pointing in the right direction. Inexperienced video photographers are too aggressive with manipulating their cameras and it becomes obvious. In fact, over the years I was caught a number of times, but I had a trick up my sleeve. I had a second am/fm video cassette player that was unaltered. So when someone confronted me (always a guy that appointed himself the beach police to protect the damsels) I'd pull out the real one and say "You mean this?!" and let them look at it. If he apologized, that would be it. I was pretty buff in those days and if he acted like a jerk, I'd stand up and let him know in no uncertain terms I was about to clock him...he'd *always* walk off with his tail between his legs.

It took me years, and I can't say I ever really mastered the skill, although Cocozella was dumb-founded and asked me "How do you do that? It's like you have you video camera on a tripod".

The key is to blend in, not be overly eager and take one's time realizing you'll miss some great shots but be undiscovered. And do what the best hunters do...they don't stalk their prey, they instead wait for when the prey comes close to them as it keeps the subject unaware. Lastly, it's important to think like a magician - keep audience focused upon a distraction (ergo, texting, reading a book, etc.) In fact, there were more than a couple of times I'd engage in conversation with a naked woman as I secretly videotaped her.

Of course, this is very controversial, and some argue that I was invading someone's privacy. But my view (at the time) was that if someone went to an extremely public beach with dozens/hundreds of people and they stripped naked while walking up and down the beach, they were, by most definitions, exhibitionists that eschewed away privacy in exchange for the eroticism of being seen naked by so many...and my mission was to help them in that goal by exposing them to even more than they expected.
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truly interesting interview of Brad...I remember (and possibly have them) the famous videos.

About the technics which it speaks about,

I never used the technic of app on phones but it must be the best indeed. my pb was to install my set up, digital photographic app, hidden on a black shirt often. I don't know how i never has been caught because I was shooting pics and later smaller videos with cliking on the shutter button...damn not really the best.

for the hunters method. My choice was to install my towel near a girl/group/couple I like instead of waiting the chance to be with me to see an interesting subject going near me. It arrives but not so much...

I agree anyway about the way to look not harassing but more friendly and uninterested by what you choosed to film...
Some phptpgraphers used their long lenses from boats lying on the outside of a nearby beach/harbour. Normally they could go about their business and no one noticed them. However they were caught at least once, in a much published case, which involved Caroline Wozniacki in her younger days. She and some friends were lying topless on the beach, when one of them noticed a long thing reaching out from a yacht, and of course they were able to put two and two together. As far as I know no images from that "photo session" ever made it onto the rags of the day.
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